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puk413

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I recently came across a lecture by a professor about the Islam and I would like to hear some opinions on it, it's quite a long one but I urge you to watch it all before you even think of opening your mouth. Thanks

 
 
 
 
 
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Only just saw this. This is a good topic and I love discussing this.

Islam is anything but a religion of peace. As we can see from their history and even today violence is their way with dealing with things. But they have something else up their sleeves in order to conquer the western world and that is to breed with either western-born citizens or other Islam supporters, eventually making Islam the dominant religion. But why would we let this happen? The simple answer is Political Correctness. We are denying history in order to be political correct and to have "diversity". I think this guy sums up their plans quite well:

 TL;DR Fuck Islam. Wake up people.

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Please don't let other people tell you what to believe. If you wanna judge, read the Quran for yourself, I think you'll be suprised: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS-_RYTKtXw&list=PLf0mH9BzXrbu2UhqoGKJrSlx1RFoQ_Two       As for terrorists, they're the rednecks of Islam, they do horrible things but they don't represents us.                                            In fact here's how the prophet of Islam defines muslims: The muslim is the one from whose tongue and hand the people are safe.

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On 16-4-2017 at 7:49 PM, Hektor said:

Please don't let other people tell you what to believe. If you wanna judge, read the Quran for yourself, I think you'll be suprised: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS-_RYTKtXw&list=PLf0mH9BzXrbu2UhqoGKJrSlx1RFoQ_Two       As for terrorists, they're the rednecks of Islam, they do horrible things but they don't represents us.                                            In fact here's how the prophet of Islam defines muslims: The muslim is the one from whose tongue and hand the people are safe.

How do you explain the Jihad then?

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21 hours ago, puk413 said:

How do you explain the Jihad then?

The only reason why muslims raised their swords is for self defense: https://quran.com/22/39-40

even then there were rules: http://1000gooddeeds.com/2012/11/20/10-islamic-rules-of-war/        

                                                                                                                                

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On 16/04/2017 at 11:28 AM, ZeRo said:

Only just saw this. This is a good topic and I love discussing this.

Islam is anything but a religion of peace. As we can see from their history and even today violence is their way with dealing with things. But they have something else up their sleeves in order to conquer the western world and that is to breed with either western-born citizens or other Islam supporters, eventually making Islam the dominant religion. But why would we let this happen? The simple answer is Political Correctness. We are denying history in order to be political correct and to have "diversity". I think this guy sums up their plans quite well:

 TL;DR Fuck Islam. Wake up people.

 

But lets pretend its just Islam thats condoning these kinds of acts and that it only happens in the middle-east. Rich coming from people with 0 real life social experience to start discussing social questions about a religion when the people discussing it probably never met or have had a serious conversation with a muslim, no that one time you talked to a muslim at work doesn't count and no that one time you got bullied by a group of kids of which one was a muslim doesn't count as a reason to be racist against all of them. But whatever the new edgy meme is is probably what you're going to believe, I remember when you used pony profile pictures because it was a popular thing on the internet back then and when you went full xdmemelord before now where you're just repeating what /pol/ says xd

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4 minutes ago, Itchy said:

doesn't count as a reason to be racist against all of them.

That just shows how stupid and politically correct your comment is. Islam is NOT a race, It's a Religion. Criticising a religion is, guess what? Not racist. A religion has a mixture of different people from different countries and different colors. Criticising and ideology is not racist at all.

I don't support or condone any religion, at the end of the day it's a game of "My Invisible friend is better than yours", all religion is bullshit, but Islam is worse.  Oh I'm sorry, was I just racist towards Christians, Hindu's, Buddhists etc? 

"Racist" is a term which has in recent years been widened by politicians to call people who criticise the failed project called Multiculturalism. It's failed and there's many examples of this.

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3 hours ago, ZeRo said:

That just shows how stupid and politically correct your comment is. Islam is NOT a race, It's a Religion. Criticising a religion is, guess what? Not racist. A religion has a mixture of different people from different countries and different colors. Criticising and ideology is not racist at all.

I don't support or condone any religion, at the end of the day it's a game of "My Invisible friend is better than yours", all religion is bullshit, but Islam is worse.  Oh I'm sorry, was I just racist towards Christians, Hindu's, Buddhists etc? 

"Racist" is a term which has in recent years been widened by politicians to call people who criticise the failed project called Multiculturalism. It's failed and there's many examples of this.

Watch out or you'll bleed out by that cut you just got by "your own" edginess right there.

I mean, seriously? Is this satire?

It could not become any bit more stereotypical, except if you'd start telling us about Cultural Marxism and the horseshoe theory.

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19 hours ago, ZeRo said:

That just shows how stupid and politically correct your comment is. Islam is NOT a race, It's a Religion. Criticising a religion is, guess what? Not racist. A religion has a mixture of different people from different countries and different colors. Criticising and ideology is not racist at all.

I don't support or condone any religion, at the end of the day it's a game of "My Invisible friend is better than yours", all religion is bullshit, but Islam is worse.  Oh I'm sorry, was I just racist towards Christians, Hindu's, Buddhists etc? 

"Racist" is a term which has in recent years been widened by politicians to call people who criticise the failed project called Multiculturalism. It's failed and there's many examples of this.

https://youtu.be/aycQ9cii-bw?t=40s

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23 hours ago, Hektor said:

The only reason why muslims raised their swords is for self defense: https://quran.com/22/39-40

even then there were rules: http://1000gooddeeds.com/2012/11/20/10-islamic-rules-of-war/        

                                                                                                                                

did you watch the video?

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1 hour ago, Hektor said:

He lost me at 13:27. Could you summarize it for me please.

No I can not, I asked in the post specifically to watch it in it's entirety before reacting, if you can't even bring up the courage to do that there's no point in discussing this further. You're just as fixated in your mindset as the 'islamophobes' are.

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This is a very controversial topic.

Here's the bottom line; Islam promotes diversity of religion, there's a whole chapter in the Quran that covers this: https://quran.com/109/6

 

Hell is originally designated for people who deep down believe in god but deny it out of pride.

If you are a non muslim because the image of said religion has been spoiled by violence and you haven't seen the true islam, then you're in the same boat as regular muslims.

If your good deeds exceed your bad ones, you're fine. So it doesn't matter whether you're muslim, christian, Hindu, atheist or jew; we're all the same before god. And what distinguish us is how pure our hearts are: https://quran.com/26/89

 

Terrorists have forgotten one of the most important things in Islam; the  sanctity of life; "whoever kills a person unjustly it is as though he has killed all mankind." (5:32)

Rest assured they will be punished for their crimes.

So yes, I think Islam is a religion of peace, maybe be it can just be my own personal opinion and I'm not judging others for their opinions.

 

 

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19 hours ago, Hektor said:

This is a very controversial topic.

Here's the bottom line; Islam promotes diversity of religion, there's a whole chapter in the Quran that covers this: https://quran.com/109/6

 

Hell is originally designated for people who deep down believe in god but deny it out of pride.

If you are a non muslim because the image of said religion has been spoiled by violence and you haven't seen the true islam, then you're in the same boat as regular muslims.

If your good deeds exceed your bad ones, you're fine. So it doesn't matter whether you're muslim, christian, Hindu, atheist or jew; we're all the same before god. And what distinguish us is how pure our hearts are: https://quran.com/26/89

 

Terrorists have forgotten one of the most important things in Islam; the  sanctity of life; "whoever kills a person unjustly it is as though he has killed all mankind." (5:32)

Rest assured they will be punished for their crimes.

So yes, I think Islam is a religion of peace, maybe be it can just be my own personal opinion and I'm not judging others for their opinions.

 

 

Do you just choose to ignore the subject? I asked about opinions about the video. about the fact that mohammed and his followers spend their days hunting down non islamic people and killing them, the fact that since the 1970's there have been over 20.000 deaths in the name of Islam and 50.000 injuries, the fact that there has been a Jihad for the past 1400 years.

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1 hour ago, puk413 said:

Do you just choose to ignore the subject? I asked about opinions about the video. about the fact that mohammed and his followers spend their days hunting down non islamic people and killing them, the fact that since the 1970's there have been over 20.000 deaths in the name of Islam and 50.000 injuries, the fact that there has been a Jihad for the past 1400 years.

Nope, I agree with you, those who kill innocent people are scum and will be severely punished. But don't get confused the prophet never fought unless for self defense.

At some point, he said that muslims raped women. That's a very serious accusation, on what grounds do you base this assumption. Give me ur proof and I'll give u mine: https://quran.com/4/19 . Did you know that drinking alcohol has been a habit for countless cultures and civilizations, generation after generation people were addicted to this substance.

So one man can't just straight up say it is forbidden, right?  He'll be shunned and no one will follow him. So he had to get rid of it step by step.

First, God hinted that it's a intoxicant: https://quran.com/16/67 Then he said that it has benefits and disadvantages: https://quran.com/2/219 Then he said not to perform prayer while drunk: https://quran.com/4/43 . Finally God officially prohibited alcohol: https://quran.com/5/90. Same thing with slavery; couldn't be eliminated overnight  and even then the prophet made freeing a slave one of the ways to repent from certain sins.

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35 minutes ago, Hektor said:

Nope, I agree with you, those who kill innocent people are scum and will be severely punished. But don't get confused the prophet never fought unless for self defense.

At some point, he said that muslims raped women. That's a very serious accusation, on what grounds do you base this assumption. Give me ur proof and I'll give u mine: https://quran.com/4/19 . Did you know that drinking alcohol has been a habit for countless cultures and civilizations, generation after generation people were addicted to this substance.

So one man can't just straight up say it is forbidden, right?  He'll be shunned and no one will follow him. So he had to get rid of it step by step.

First, God hinted that it's a intoxicant: https://quran.com/16/67 Then he said that it has benefits and disadvantages: https://quran.com/2/219 Then he said not to perform prayer while drunk: https://quran.com/4/43 . Finally God officially prohibited alcohol: https://quran.com/5/90. Same thing with slavery; couldn't be eliminated overnight  and even then the prophet made freeing a slave one of the ways to repent from certain sins.

What do you mean self defense?

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At that time, most of the economy of the prophet's village relied on the trade of Idols. So when a man comes and preaches that there is only one God, things don't look good for the business. So they chased him and his followers out. They beat them, raped their women and did horrible things. At first God denied them the right to battle but eventually he allowed it. 

Ever since, Muslims visit different regions and preach about islam peacefully and whenever they are greeted by swords and spears, they fought back. Nothing more.

In the description  of the video, it says; "this is a history based on numbers and facts that you may not see anywhere else". why is that? Maybe it's because it has no basis in truth.

He even failed to provide us with the source of all this information.

All I'm saying is; don't watch Youtube videos, don't listen to scholars. If you are interested, then read the quran with a proper explanation it could be a life changing experience. Worst case scenario, it would be a good read. (full of tales and stories...)

Hate can only generate more hate. It doesn't matter if you're muslim, black, mexican, gay, transgender... These are all labels.

Labels that will forever blind us from seeing a person for who they are. We are all human beings and we should love each other unconditionally. Or at least, Live and let Live. <3

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23 hours ago, Hektor said:

At that time, most of the economy of the prophet's village relied on the trade of Idols. So when a man comes and preaches that there is only one God, things don't look good for the business. So they chased him and his followers out. They beat them, raped their women and did horrible things. At first God denied them the right to battle but eventually he allowed it. 

Ever since, Muslims visit different regions and preach about islam peacefully and whenever they are greeted by swords and spears, they fought back. Nothing more.

In the description  of the video, it says; "this is a history based on numbers and facts that you may not see anywhere else". why is that? Maybe it's because it has no basis in truth.

He even failed to provide us with the source of all this information.

All I'm saying is; don't watch Youtube videos, don't listen to scholars. If you are interested, then read the quran with a proper explanation it could be a life changing experience. Worst case scenario, it would be a good read. (full of tales and stories...)

Hate can only generate more hate. It doesn't matter if you're muslim, black, mexican, gay, transgender... These are all labels.

Labels that will forever blind us from seeing a person for who they are. We are all human beings and we should love each other unconditionally. Or at least, Live and let Live. <3

I'd love to live and let live, but I can't ignore the numbers. Also the quran is almost the same as the old testament and the torah. But doesn't the Islam have two more books my man? Both of which describe the Jihad?

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49 minutes ago, puk413 said:

I'd love to live and let live, but I can't ignore the numbers. Also the quran is almost the same as the old testament and the torah. But doesn't the Islam have two more books my man? Both of which describe the Jihad?

As far as word jihad is concerned, it doesn't mean any war fought by any muslim for any reason. Jihad comes from the arabic word "jahada".

 which translates to strive or struggle. Granted it can include fighting in the battle field, but only in self defense; against oppression and tyranny.

But most muslims, practice another forms of jihad like patience during times of hardship, charity, performing prayers on time, fasting, even the simple act of putting in a hard day's work.

Some dude blowing up a bomb in the middle of the street is not jihad. But planting a tree is.

Don't take it from me. The prophet said: If the Resurrection were established upon one of you while he has in his hand a sapling, then let him plant it.”

 

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1 hour ago, Hektor said:

As far as word jihad is concerned, it doesn't mean any war fought by any muslim for any reason. Jihad comes from the arabic word "jahada".

 which translates to strive or struggle. Granted it can include fighting in the battle field, but only in self defense; against oppression and tyranny.

But most muslims, practice another forms of jihad like patience during times of hardship, charity, performing prayers on time, fasting, even the simple act of putting in a hard day's work.

Some dude blowing up a bomb in the middle of the street is not jihad. But planting a tree is.

Don't take it from me. The prophet said: If the Resurrection were established upon one of you while he has in his hand a sapling, then let him plant it.”

 

It is though. The Holy war is also clasified as a Jihad. It might not be in your eyes, but the rest of the world sees it as it is, a Jihad action. It's not the old school Jihad from the khaliefs of the arab world but it's a different one, one without state.

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25 minutes ago, puk413 said:

It is though. The Holy war is also clasified as a Jihad. It might not be in your eyes, but the rest of the world sees it as it is, a Jihad action. It's not the old school Jihad from the khaliefs of the arab world but it's a different one, one without state.

I get the feeling that you're not simply bashing Islam rather you're just a good guy looking for some answers. And I highly respect that.

I did some research and I've found this video. I apologize for his thick accent and I hope that you can make out what he says: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guw5bez0wuA&index=3

If you are truly interested then please find the time to watch these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS-_RYTKtXw&list=PLf0mH9BzXrbu2UhqoGKJrSlx1RFoQ_Two

Once this satisfies you, and you beyond any doubt believe that God exists. You'll blindly and happily believe what ever he says, even if he says that the moon is made of cheese.

And you'll know that his every command serves a purpose. Sometimes we know it  sometimes we don't.

If you are not satisfied with the proof I provided. Feel free to practice whatever religion you want. And my advice to you is never harm a human being. If you do you'll regret it for the rest of your life and every time you try to undo this action it'll be like chasing clouds.

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